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Post by powell300 on Oct 11, 2007 11:09:01 GMT -8
Jason & Board of Directors: I was reading in the rulebook and was SHOCKED  to read that this section has changed from previous years. Did you discuss this at the first tournament? I don't remember anything being said about it. If so, I apologize. If not, please let the membership know the thought process in behind this. To the members - Was anyone else aware of this? Maybe I missed the memo.  So, does this mean that we aren't going to have a banquet this year? How can you award the all-star team after Grand Finals - are we having a presentation at the end of the day or what? We would have even less people than at the banquet. VII. AWARDS: A. The All-Star Team will be selected from points earned in the current season and will include the Grand Finals. The Grand Finals points will reflect the importance of that event and will be 50% higher than a standard event (1 1/2 points). B. Bowler of the Year will be presented based on total points earned in all tournaments, including the Grand Finals.
C. Senior Bowler of the Year will be presented to the bowler (age 50 or above as of Sept. 1st of the season) earning the most points in all tournaments, including the Grand Finals. |
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Post by mccleary on Oct 11, 2007 12:46:49 GMT -8
Dennis,
The board discussed the year-end awards at our board meeting and it was voted unanimously to change the awards to include the Grand Finals. This decision was based on the thought that it makes more sense to us to include the biggest tournament of the year when you are trying to show which individuals had the best season and who should receive these awards. In addition, the rules also state that Grand Finals will award 1 1/2 the points of a regular tournament, so Grand Finals will actually count a little more in the final point standings.
We did not "announce" this change, but we did have it in the new rulebook and we did encourage everyone to pick up a copy of the rules and to read through them.
As far as the banquet goes, we have tabled that discussion until our next board meeting later this season. When we have something more to discuss on that matter, we will announce it.
There is a precedent for this, as Bowler of the Year was not awarded until the following year for the first 12 years of our organization, as the award was voted by the members instead of a straight points standings.
Jason
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Post by powell300 on Oct 11, 2007 14:27:54 GMT -8
Looks like I better start reading the rest of the rulebook, I may have missed something else that got slipped in.
I just loved your full disclosure about how everyone should read through the rulebook themselves instead of the Board going over the changes at the first meeting. Goes to show you nobody reads the rulebook or nobody cares. Probably a combination of both.
I don't agree with the 1 and 1/2 points should be awarded for Grand Finals. Not that anyone cares.
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Post by squatch on Oct 11, 2007 16:46:17 GMT -8
Normally when things are changed, they are brought forward immediately. Professional institutions that have publication (like insurance pamphlets) will have a heading at the table of contents that let's you know of change from the previous year. I think they are mandatory not to hide and information and have an open and honest dissemination. This is what this organization should be about and not trying to find the hidden agenda.
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Post by castaway on Oct 11, 2007 19:50:39 GMT -8
No hidden agenda here. This was a board decsion and was voted on and approved by all! We all felt this was best for the organization knowing some would agree some wouldnt and most dont care. Dennis im glad to see someone read the rules and noticed the change. Good luck this weekend and remember no conspriacy theriores here and if anyone would like more info please contact myself or any other board member personally to disscuss it.
Wynn
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Post by powell300 on Oct 11, 2007 19:59:07 GMT -8
Wynn;
I am not suggesting any hidden agendas. I am just used to dealing with things upfront. I just thought it would have been easier to mention that there have been a few changes to the rules and pointed them out at the first meeting is all. If the Board didn't feel that it was important to do so, that is your decision. I just don't think it shows great leadership.
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Post by carla on Oct 11, 2007 20:13:12 GMT -8
I realize that I am not a "member", but some of my money goes towards fees for participation in this organization and I need to chime in a little.
It is not necessarily the Boards decision on what is in the best interest of the organization. Unless I am completely misinterpreting section VI of the rulebook, I thought that amendments/changes had to be voted on by the general membership. That is sort of the purpose of paying a membership fee - so that the members have a voice and role in how an organization operates.
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Post by powell300 on Oct 11, 2007 20:14:21 GMT -8
Wynn;
Forgot to thank you wishing me good luck this weekend. Same shout back to you. Thanks for your willingness to discuss these issues as well.
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Post by castaway on Oct 11, 2007 20:14:28 GMT -8
Hidden agendas was for squatch. You are an asset to this organization and your opinions are valued! We as a board felt this was our call and didnt feel we needed a 20 min discussion back and forth. Its out there now and once again we move forward!!
Wynn
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Post by powell300 on Oct 11, 2007 20:21:53 GMT -8
Carla;
You are somewhat correct. I think section VI would apply to any changes to the by-laws after the season has started.
These rules were changed prior to the season and approved by the Board. That is there job to do so. All I am saying is that it would have been a lot clearer to everyone if the changes had been brought to our attention. No biggy. I just would have done it differently, thats all.
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Post by carla on Oct 11, 2007 20:29:27 GMT -8
Thanks for your input Dennis.
I am jstill ust a little confused though. It is not clearly stated. It says that such items should be brought to the gen membership at the end of the year meeting (which implies changes for the next season) or at a special meeting (which implies during the season changes).
You are right, not a biggy. I am just trying to understand it better and give the gen membership a chance at being involved.
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Post by powell300 on Oct 11, 2007 20:38:51 GMT -8
Process 101
Have an end of year meeting with the general membership to discuss any issues that they have with the playing rules or anything else that needs discussing.
Hold Board of Director's elections.
They have Board meeting to change any playing rules based upon input from membership, develop schedule, etc.
Present everything at first tournament of the year and talk about the changes that were made.
If you don't like the changes that were made, boot the Board and start over next year.
Start drinking. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by carla on Oct 11, 2007 20:41:03 GMT -8
Thank you. It makes sense to me now.
Hey, I go for the start drinking part ;D
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Post by carla on Oct 11, 2007 20:44:13 GMT -8
OK - I'll shut up now....
Hey, Gregg says his beer will need to be a rootbeer.....Mug to be specific on ice at the Eugene tournament. ;D
Kinda presumptuous isn't he?!? He thinks he's already won. See ya in Eugene.......good luck this weekend. ;D
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Post by Admin on Oct 11, 2007 21:08:56 GMT -8
Hey all,
I wasn't there for all of the initial meeting at Lava (even being 5 minutes away. Don't ask lol) but being that I had to go through the new rulebook and make changes to the online version, I can post the changes here so that hopefully there are no more surprises. I listed a condensed version on the main site under Rulebook, but here is a completely list:
Membership requirements was worded differently under part II section C
Secretary-Treasurer job was redefined in part II section D
Tournament Director job was redefined under part II section I
Part VII - The complete Awards section has been reworked as Dennis noted
Part VIII - The entry breakdown has been reworked slightly to affect changes in pay for Sec/Treas. and Tourn. Director
Additional revenues (section IX all parts) were reworded to affect changes in sponsorship fees and to clean up wording for ball raffles and brackets
Now under tournament playing rules:
Section I part C has changes to reflect conduct on this message board as well
And the big one is a revision to the Grand Finals format on Section III. This has changes to how many bowlers are automatically seeded initially as well as how many games are bowled in one block, etc as that was a problem last year.
Again, the complete rules are at the main soallstars.com website under the Rulebook tab in case you did not get a hard copy at Lava. So no hidden rules from the board or anything between the lines.
Now where's the beer?
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